Ava Duvernay is offering advice for women and people of color trying to make it in Hollywood: “Follow the white guys.”

Speaking to an audience of mostly female bloggers at the 2015 BlogHer conference, the Selma director, 42, spoke about working and trying to work in the modern film industry, and suggested that women and minorities effectively lean in to the white-male-dominated world. She shared her advice to the conference (via The Hollywood Reporter):

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